Anti-migrant blogosphere (ALIPAC) fueled by 80-year-olds financed by undocumented migrants!
// June 4th, 2008 // Immigration, Racism
I called that one a while ago!
This just in from a new and ferociously debated article in the Chicago Tribune:
“I’ve got 80-year-olds that are . . . Internet fighter pilots,” said William Gheen, president of the North Carolina-based Americans for Legal Immigration Political Action Committee, a conservative group whose Web campaign helped derail Immigration reform legislation in Congress last year by prompting thousands of faxes, e-mails and phone calls to legislators.
“Some of them, when they first came on, were scared to death to even interact in this media,” Gheen said. “But I’ve watched them grow. Necessity is the mother of invention, and we’re inventing tactics as we go.”
Erm, Gheen, I didn’t know that fear, loathing and bigotry were ‘new tactics’ — Sounds like more of the same OLD?
Lets get this straight. These elderly people, who are probably sitting on social security, paid for and kept solvent by undocumented immigrant workers, are spending their unproductive lives blogging and spewing hatred against the very people whose contributions allow them to do so? These are the very people that would benefit when the DREAM Act passes and America has more young people working to finance the retirement of the baby boomers. If that is not hypocrisy, than I don’t know what is. You may have a legitimate reason to complain as an underpaid American construction worker about undocumented migrants taking away your job (mind you, I have hardly ever come across this–seems like the productive people move on and get jobs rather than ranting online).
Check out the Adult Education Catalog in the mail and sign up for a yoga class instead of harassing pro-migrant bloggers and students online! Maybe English as a second language would help broaden their lexicon beyond “illegal is illegal” as well.
I don’t mean to be demeaning or mean-spirited, but as a youth who knows that each generation brings change and a fresh set of ideas, I have no regard for the opinions of those from the times of segregation who now channel their hatred of diversity and multiculturalism through spreading hatred and bigotry against undocumented migrants online.
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ALIPAC rules! It’s people who love this country from 10 years old to 100 years old that will fight this fight as long as we have illegals running around screwing this great country up that are grandparents fought and died for! Get used to it!
ALIPAC has a lot of younger people and college students fighting as well. It is just an interesting note that the older generation is participating. You forgot to print the part of the Tribune article which reads.
“The dominance on the Internet of conservative groups like ALI-PAC has moved pro-migrant groups to get more active, prompting conservatives to escalate their efforts.
After failing last summer to win legalization for the country’s estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants, advocates realized the battle was lost largely on the Web.”`
ALIPAC gets offended easily that’s why they always have to go to sites that are against them and tell all their members to leave a comment. They are all losers and yes the majority of the folks are probably over 45 years old.
Alipac site is a joke they go to every online poll and vote on it and then say ” This is how American people feel about immigration.” I went to their site and read their messages and it became clear that they have no clue about immigration. Their view on immigration is one sided and they can’t seem to debate on the issue of immigration.
Jonathan, they’ve even devised a way to manipulate the online polls. They have instructed their members to clear their cookies after voting in an online poll so that they can vote again and again and again thereby manipulating the polls.
They also have ways to manipulate Congressmen and other representatives. They call from a private phone line (caller ID block) and tell the representative that they live in his or her district. They shared a list of zip codes for several key districts. So someone from North Carolina can convince a New Jersey senator that they are his constituent.
One person wrote on the ALIPAC forum how they covered up the signs of candidates who oppose anti-immigrant legislation (you know those “Vote For ______” signs that are all over the place during any election). This comment was quickly deleted by the moderators of the ALIPAC forums.
What a pack of lies. I am not only not 80 but don’t live on social security. I am also an immigrant who waited in the legal line to get into this great country and to become a citizen. I love this country and have made it my home for the rest of my life. If you can’t abide by our laws then don’t come here.
The tactics you have described have been used by La Raza and other screw America groups for some time know. How about the time La Raza was caught bringing in illegals to a building with phones set up telling the illegal folks to call congress and voice someone elses opinion, They had now idea who or what they were talking about. Use the homeless people to lie for you! Big men………Jokers, Pack your bags because your going home!
Typical Raza propaganda, nothing to read here…
Alipac has more members from all age groups that represent REAL AMERICAN people who DO NOT WANT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OR AMNESTY.
LaRaza, LULAC, MECHA, and other racist forums just cant make the grade. You guys are failing to comprehend what America is all about and what makes this country so great. Losers.
Proliferation of comment spam as a way to create false perception – I forgot to add that. Get a life, go do some yoga, maybe you can get members from the deep South that you originated in to burn some crosses in order to vent your frustrations and bitterness over your own lives. A very sad pack of losers indeed – You DO NOT represent the majority of Americans.
And this is neither a La Raza site nor am I anywhere close to Latino.
Being against illlegal is not an age issue — it is a law issue. You either choose to obey the US laws or you don’t. If you don’t you are subject to criminal penalties. How about ethno-centric hate organizations like La Raza? _ I think they should be shut down as they are obviously opposed to US Laws. I am tired of La Raza and its supporters. I totally oppose illegal immigration to this country and think every illegal should be found and deported — I don’t care how long they have lived in this country — they are illegal immigrants that don’t belong here sucking up taxpayer paid benefis, and squirting out anchor babies. We need to end birthright citizenship and chain migration. No Illegal should ever be allowed to get citizenship. Those who support illegals are nothing but a crowd of Hate America – I wish they would leave this country. It would be btter off without them.
To the haters and fear-mongers from Alipac: Keep up the homogeneous, binary thought processes and redundant semantics – It provides data and empirical evidence for my research.
The problem with the Alipacers is that most of them are just plain stupid. They believe everything spoonfed to them since it fits their skewed world view. Most of them are racist as well, time after time, the mods there have to censor their racist and eliminationist posts and many of them post at other very racist sites as well.
You ALIPACers represent nothing but a sad history of anger against immigrants that’s been a part of this nation since its creation. Sadly your tactics do get the attention of some politicians, but where we see the true voice of the people, in elections, you fail time and time again. Your desire to prosper while others suffer is despicable and irresponsible.
Genie,
You’re right. Many of these groups don’t allow you to see their message boards. ALIPAC for the most part does allow you to (other than their “private message” section), but others don’t I’ve gone through some of them and the comments are despicable. The fact that these groups will not allow you to see their discussions is not only quite telling given their desire to exclude, but it also tells you that they don’t want us to see what they say. Storm Front allows you to read their forum – so why don’t others?
After engaging the ALIPAC seniors on the internet, I have found they were no different that other nativists. Keep them going long enough and they will let lose with the racial hatred. They are so predictable at that. I guess this shows that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.
What part of illegal do you not understand ? You people make it sound like America just could not exist with out you low life law breakers.Go back you your own country and fix it leave ours alone!
How would you people feel if you had 30 million or so illegal Americans in your country ( if you actualy lived there ) draining the public tax coffers to provide you with benefits and lowering your standard of living ? would you consider yourselves nativists or racists if you disagreed with it ? I doubt it
The USA has been a stable Country because of the Rule Of Law. The latest estimate is 65 million people from around the World have thumbed their nose at the Foundation of this Country. Critical mass of illegal behavior will tip the Country into anarchy. Law enforcement is absolutely necessary to stability.
What exactly is “the rule of law”? It’s against the law to speed so why is it so prevalent on our highways? Drugs are another problem your “rule of law” hasn’t seemed to properly address. Because of this your nativist buddy Frosty Wooldridge recently proposed drugs be made legal to free up law enforcement to go after terrorists. Ok, so why not give legal citizenship to the migrants here which would free up Homeland Security to go after real criminals? Sadly you ALIPACers apparently don’t know much about history, but you know your empty catch phrases – “rule of law”…”rule of law.”
Symsess you have a few catch phrases of your own; navtist,racist and sooner or later I am sure Bigot will show up. LOL
oops Nativist not navtist.
fedup – try and increase your lexicon beyond “what part of illegal…” — It is so redundant. And I doubt 30 million people would fit into a tiny little Pacific nation which is going under thanks to global warming, majorly caused by (fill in the blanks). A lot of undocumented migrants come from countries ravaged and impoverished by neo-liberalism, encouraged by the (fill in the blanks). Why shouldn’t the American government take responsibility for the ‘externalities’ of its foreign policies? Can you think outside of the box? Guess not.
What a bunch of losers and whiners, give me a break, you need to have the rule of law explained to you ! Most of you come from countries who have no Idea what law and order means and that with out it anarchy rises it ugly head, which is what you have in Mexico…
I have never seen so many stupid comments made on one web site before,,,..well looks like a good place for the lot of you.
Thanks for the direction to alipac I will have to check it out, anyone has to have more brains than the people on this web site.
Loren – That was hilarious – “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.” Amen
Symsess and Kyle – Thanks for your never-ending wisdom, no-nonsense support. Their lexicon does not go past “illegal is illegal,” anarchy, “rule of law” and “what part of ______” and of course capitalizing ‘catch-all phrases’ topped by assumptions that all illegals and their supporters are from Mexico … Snooze. How about making some real, substantive arguments?
Dogwood and haters Co. – Indeed, this is pro-migrant sanctuary sphere. And we know you are an ALIPACer pretending to be drawn to their side as a way of providing legitimacy to your hatred, bigotry, baseless assumptions, lack of knowledge of world affairs, and may I add, English. Please retreat back to the anti-migrant sphere where you can spew nonsense endlessly. It does not sway anyone who visits this site.
P.S. Thanks for evidence for my empirical research.
Dogwood,
So much substance. Typical.
After reading some of the comments here, I decided to check ALIPAC out. After spending over an hour reading the many informative posts and articles, I don’t get it. Why so much hate for ALIPAC? It appears to be comprised of people who are genuienly concerned about the direction our country is headed. I for one commend them for getting actively involved an attempting to right a ship that is quickly sinking due to out of control population growth. The business world doesn’t care about you, I, or undocumented immigrants. What they care about is profit margin. Anything to enhance the bottom line, even if it includes illegal labor. What happens to the next batch of 20 million undocumented once we legalize the ones currently here? Are we going to legalize them too?
What a wonderful sight ALIPAC has, someones got their $hit together. I have never seen such a Patriotic group of people in my life! More members there than I have seen on other sites.
My one head-to-head with Gheen was about one of the Central American gangs, which he claimed had been imported here by “illegals.” It was, in fact, founded in LA — the appropriate url from the FBI’s web page did eventually shut him up. (He went away saying that he’d only been quoting someone else.) I would say his attachment to the truth is not overly strong.
The civil laws of the US did not descend from heaven on stone tablets. They were written by people. When they don’t work — as our immigration laws clearly do not — it is the part of responsible citizens to examine and change them. Jumping up and down and chanting in support of “rule of law” will not make the law reasonable or functional.
No, I am not Mexican. Nor a low life nor a lawbreaker. Let’s say my folks have been here long enough that I am not easily threatened in my identity. And there is no place to send me back to, so I guess I’ve got to stick around here and go on trying to talk sense until it gets better.
What makes me saddest about this situation: The way that new immigrants and the second generation let themselves be recruited into hate groups as a way of excluding others and proving their status as “real Americans.” Got news for you: most of us old-timers are the descendants of undocumented immigrants (my folks were all here before Ellis Island) — no visas involved! Xenophobia is old as the hills, like most sins — but it’s not an American value.
My friend and I came across ALIPAC in college and we thought it was the funniest thing ever. Those people are so racist but don’t think they are. Just because you say you aren’t a racist doesn’t really mean you aren’t one.
MRH….there is nothing wrong with the immigration laws, the only thing wrong is the will to enforce them, the laws are already there for businesses, the laws are already there for aiders and abetters including for the churches…it is against the law now to aid, abett,hire,transport, harbor or encourge an illegal to stay in the U.S. all of these laws are in the Immigration Nationality Act of 1996 it is the law.
I went over and read some of the stuff at alipac, what I see is people wanting their laws enforced….2 amnesty’s and evidently they did not work so I must agree with them.
My family has been in construction for several decades and my family business has been destroyed by other contractors under bidding me with their cheap illegal labor, I have seen hundreds of construction workers put out of work, but hey don’t feel sorry for the Americans, you expect them to give up their lively hood for people from other countries and to hell with your fellow citizens…..I read an article yesterday about an illegal to used a citizens ID and bought 787,000 worth of purchase on someone elses credit report, the IRS is coming after this person for thousands of dollars of money he did not make…..this is happening to hundreds of thousands of Americans but hey, its racist if you worry about these Americans, right….get a life what I have told you is only a drop in the bucket as to the affects on Americans that illegal immigration has. Enforce the Laws
People from ALIPAC believe in obeying the laws of the land and loving the U.S. I see nothing wrong with their site and appreciate the info about them here.They’re people of all ages and all ethnic backgrounds.The thing that they have in common is being good citizens.
Dogwood,
What companies decided your patriotic bid wasn’t good enough? If your statement is true you should have no problem telling us who you’re talking about. And why is it not solely the fault of the company that refused your bid? They had the power to choose anyone for the project so they are ‘guilty’. By your argument any person that takes a job for less than they should (not that migrants do) is responsible for oppressing the whole of their trade (but more importantly – you). Even if that is true it does nothing for the person who needs a job and will take what they can get. Would you have people in need of a job wait around for you to hire them at a higher wage?
Regardless of your problem with migrants you obviously enjoy a good life. Construction pays very well and it shouldn’t surprise me to see you taking your anger, of failure to get bids, out on others. People pay more for things all the time. Personally I choose higher priced items when I know they’re made ethically. Everyone has that choice including the people you give bids to.
Symsess , I don’t believe for one minute you are even a citizen of the United States of America…Your right I am fine but alot of people in the construction industry are not and it has everything to do with the cheap labor coming into this country….but Anybody who does not have some compassion for the people illegal immigration is hurting in this country is not American…You also have no comprehension of how business works…and people hiring these illegals are low life law breaking traders to the people in this country, they don’t give a damn about the illegals either they are using them for slave labor. I’ll bet when you buy something you never consider who or where it was made because you don’t give a damn….this is what comes of people coming into this country who don’t care about it, the country means nothing to you, with people like you it is all about yourself! kind of like LaRaza want to talk about about a radical racist group..”the race” they are fighting for one single race, not for the good of America again it is all about them and if you don’t agree you are a racist…who really gives a damn what they think…
Dogwood I felt the total disrespect of America and her people when I read what symsess wrote too,and it became obvious they are not a long term citizen and probably not a citizen at all.
I agree with everything you wrote,very well said !
Most of the comments are from ALICRAPPERS, so dont pay attention to them.
ALIPAC is a racist site and organization fueled by hate, and everyone who has a brain knows that.
check out ALIPAC.net. ( the REAL ALIPAC)
ALIPAC = perfect example of white supremacy! They don’t need anyone else but themselves *yawn* Instead of wasting their time online maybe they should go back to school and get some REAL skills and real jobs. Maybe then then they won’t be scared that ‘illegals’ are going to take their…err, McDonald’s jobs.
What a joke!
I’m an American with a great job that I’ve never been afraid to lose to an ‘illegal’. It’s the insecurity that makes you all so hateful, why not find something more productive to do with your lives? Go ahead, call me “a dumb liberal” or a “traitor”, in the end that’s all you have to say.
Great article, and whoever Loren is, your comment hits the target – listen to the woman! What amazes me the most is how my fellow Americans who hate illegals can’t even spell…yikes, way to be proud of your country/language!
A conversation with ALIPAC on immigration.
Me: hi guy’s, can you tell me about this illegal immigration thing please? I want to understand it.
ALIPAC: they take our jobs, steal our tax money, use our hospitals bla bla bla.
Me: But these people are just trying to make a living, I don’t have a problem with that.
ALIPAC: Yes but they broke the law. They are criminals.
Me: how did they break a law? What law did they break?
ALIPAC: Immigration law, its federal law so you have to follow it. They broke it by crossing the border or overstaying there visas.
Me: what do they have to do to not break the law?
ALIPAC: Apply the right way and wait in line and then follow the rules.
Me: So these people who want to stay here can’t they did not follow the rules? How do they follow the rules? Fill out a form?
ALIPAC: Yes that’s right, but since they did not fill out the form, they are now criminals and need to be deported.
Me: So if they would have just filled out the forms in the first place it would have been alright..right?
ALIPAC: Well…if they qualify.
Me: Qualify? You have to Qualify to come to the U.S.?
ALIPAC: We cannot take everybody, it’s the gov. way of population control.
Me: What are the qualifications to come?
ALIPAC: They have to have a sponsor, either a business or be sponsored by family.
Me: but don’t allot of these people here have family? Can’t they sponsor them?
ALIPAC: No, they are criminals too because they don’t have visa’s either.
Me: There must be some way these people can come here?
ALIPAC: Yes they come legally if they fill out the papers and wait in line like everyone else.
Me: But it sounds like they can’t come legally? The law won’t let them because they don’t qualify!
ALIPAC: We didn’t write it, we just want it enforced so we can get lawbreakers out of here.
Me: So even if they filled out the papers and forms, they would not be able to come unless they had a sponsor? Ok, let’s say someone has a family sponsor, is there a cost to file the forms?
ALIPAC: Yes, it’s very expensive, we don’t know how much because every case is different but you can find out more at USCIS web site.
Me: Like in how much? Can you ballpark it for me?
ALIPAC: We could guess maybe 10 grand with your attorney fees.
Me: Lawyers? Why do they need a lawyer? Just how complicated are these forms?
ALIPAC: some are complicated but most are easy to understand if you know what your case is about. Most people need a lawyer to help them with the process.
Me: but most of these people are here working at mickydee’s? They make maybe 10 bucks an hour, how the hell could they afford it?
ALIPAC: not our problem, if they want to come the right way, they have to play by the rules.
Me: sound like it’s stacked against them?
ALIPAC: we are the most welcoming country in the world to immigrants, just not law breakers.
Me: but wasn’t congress working on this a couple of years ago?
ALIPAC: that was amnesty.
Me: what’s that?
ALIPAC: that’s where an illegal immigrant breaks the law, but then we reward them by giving them green cards.
Me: kind of like when OJ got off huh?
ALIPAC: Exactly!
Me: so basically, you guys want to kick out all the immigrants who are here illegally, and the gov. wants to not let in anyone in legally unless they qualify?
ALIPAC: yup
Me: well then it’s easy to solve this problem. We just make it easier to qualify and then people come legally and everyone is happy…wait! The look on your face say’s different.
ALIPAC: it’s not that simple….
Me: so you want all the illegal’s out, but you want anybody else come either?
ALIPAC: we didn’t say that. They can come legally
Me: somehow, this all seems really stupid. You want them to come legally but don’t want them to come at all?
ALIPAC: look, we told you all about it, what part of illegal don’t you understand?
Me: how about the part where the process is all fucked up. It’s you like it that way.
ALIPAC: you’re just a dumb liberal and a traitor to our great nation!
Me: And you’re an asshat!
The last post made me laugh. It’s great and it explains PERFECTLY the philosophy of ALIPAC. They just whine and complain about illegals but want no solution but to send them back. Real Patriot, I’m happy there are still Americans who haven’t completely lost it!